Why evolution explains more than we think WITH MARK VELLEND
Biology. 2025/12/12
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Evolution is often misunderstood as a process limited to biology and genes. In this in-depth conversation, evolutionary ecologist Mark Vellend challenges that narrow view and presents a powerful idea: evolution is a universal principle that governs all complex systems. In this episode of Reason with Science, we explore how evolution applies not only to living organisms, but also to languages, technologies, cultures, institutions, scientific theories, economics, and artificial intelligence. Drawing on his book Everything Evolves: Why Evolution Explains More Than We Think (From Proteins to Politics), Mark Vellend explains why evolutionary theory deserves recognition as a general science of change, alongside physics.
About the guest
Timestamps
00:00:13 — Opening & episode premise: evolution beyond biology
00:01:05 — What makes something an evolving system?
00:01:46 — Welcome to Mark Vellend
00:02:05 — Mark’s research: ecology, climate change, and evolution
00:03:17 — Evolution as a universal process
00:05:13 — Why evolution goes beyond DNA and genes
00:06:45 — Language as an evolving system
00:07:45 — Technology, trial-and-error, and innovation
00:09:01 — Darwinism and the Modern Synthesis
00:11:01 — How biology narrowed the meaning of evolution
00:13:03 — The “Second Science”: generalized evolutionary theory
00:14:34 — Why direct gene analogies (memes) fail
00:17:49 — Modeling evolution without DNA
00:20:49 — Selection beyond biology
00:51:39 — Tipping points and irreversible change