Why evolution explains more than we think WITH MARK VELLEND

Biology. 2025/12/12

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Evolution is often misunderstood as a process limited to biology and genes. In this in-depth conversation, evolutionary ecologist Mark Vellend challenges that narrow view and presents a powerful idea: evolution is a universal principle that governs all complex systems. In this episode of Reason with Science, we explore how evolution applies not only to living organisms, but also to languages, technologies, cultures, institutions, scientific theories, economics, and artificial intelligence. Drawing on his book Everything Evolves: Why Evolution Explains More Than We Think (From Proteins to Politics), Mark Vellend explains why evolutionary theory deserves recognition as a general science of change, alongside physics.

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Timestamps

00:00:13 — Opening & episode premise: evolution beyond biology

00:01:05 — What makes something an evolving system?

00:01:46 — Welcome to Mark Vellend

00:02:05 — Mark’s research: ecology, climate change, and evolution

00:03:17 — Evolution as a universal process

00:05:13 — Why evolution goes beyond DNA and genes

00:06:45 — Language as an evolving system

00:07:45 — Technology, trial-and-error, and innovation

00:09:01 — Darwinism and the Modern Synthesis

00:11:01 — How biology narrowed the meaning of evolution

00:13:03 — The “Second Science”: generalized evolutionary theory

00:14:34 — Why direct gene analogies (memes) fail

00:17:49 — Modeling evolution without DNA

00:20:49 — Selection beyond biology

00:51:39 — Tipping points and irreversible change